Brought down by Fear: The NHS, Goliath… and the Church?

Andy du Feu

As a young gymnast, Jess had the world at her feet, until a training accident left her in constant pain. A decade later, the terrible decision to amputate the problematic leg had been made, but this wasn’t without it’s challenges. Jess recalls, “It took five or six months just to get the anaesthetist and the surgeon in the same room,” but finally the day had arrived. “We’d been counting down the days and hours… I’ve been bed-bound now for a year. It’s long enough.” [BBC Lifestyle & Health News, 15 May 2017, via Radio 5 Live]

The op never took place. Instead, Jess will need it to be rescheduled, and with a surgeon very much in demand, it could be months.

The culprit here?

A piece of software, more precisely, malware, called Wanna Decryptor.

In one deft stroke it rendered the vast network of NHS computers useless, turning the clocks back to the days of paper and pen to organize a budget of nearly 120 billion pounds and 1.5 million employees.

The temptation to press snooze
Cyber attacks appear out of the blue, but are never unexpected. Less than 12 months before the attack that crippled 47 NHS trusts up and down the country, Dame Fiona Caldicott, the National Data Guardian, warned top levels of Government of a critical “lack of understanding of security issues.” Ninety per cent of NHS trusts still operate Windows XP, a platform that was launched in 2001 and ceased to be shipped on new computers in 2008. Add to that fact the expiration of a support contract with Microsoft in 2015 leaving individual trusts, often cash-strapped, responsible for upkeep and you’ve got a problem.

To make matters worse, it appears that a shadowy organisation flagged in April that it had stolen a cyber weapon from the National Security Agency—the super-powerful military machine that may have already sniffed its way to this blog post before you read it.

Former CIA employee and whistleblower, Edward Snowden tweeted,

The lack of readiness is astounding but unsurprising.

  • Why would the NSA keep the information to themselves?
  • Why did Dame Caldicott’s warning fall on deaf ears?
  • Why will it take another decade to reduce reliance on an old operating system when it could get exploited again and again and again, leaving many more feeing like the system is playing Operation with their lives?

Probably for the same reasons that churches fail to heed the warnings from countless reports, surveys, and stories of decline, and continue to tread the path they have carved out over decades: the wrong kind of fear. These are the reasons we delay the inevitable, pressing the snooze button so that we can stay in dreamland a little longer.

Introducing The Fear
I love the British Sign Language expression for fear. It captures what I used to experience—a vice-like grip around my heart. Under threat, the nervous system takes over with a “fight or flight” response. But there’s a third response: Freeze. Fear for survival paralyses. It’s the response of the army of Israel in the shadow of Goliath, the three-metre Philistine super-soldier, recorded in 1 Samuel 17. For 40 days, the champion fighter would issue the same challenge, both morning and evening:

“Choose a man and have him come down to me. If he is able to fight and kill me, we will become your subjects; but if I overcome him and kill him, you will become our subjects and serve us.” (17:8–9)

The detail is revealing. I don’t think that it was simply his might that paralysed the Israelites—it was the consequences if their fighter went toe to toe and lost. Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones, used the prophet Habbakuk to demonstrate how we should move from fear to faith. I think there is another journey, one that takes you deeper into faith, and discovers a new kind of fear—one that puts all other fear into perspective. May I introduce “The Fear”.

The Bible speaks consistently about fearing God, but in Genesis 31:42 Jacob is complaining to his employer/father-in-law about his treatment:

“If the God of my father, the God of Abraham and the Fear of Isaac, had not been on my side, surely now you would have sent me away empty-handed.”

There is some debate amongst scholars as to whether this is simply a characteristic of God or a name. The ESV goes for the latter whilst recognising the former, capitalising Fear. Most of us treat Jesus as God All-matey, rather than All-mighty, resulting in a 1:72 model kit of the real thing. David, a young shepherd with no military training, saw the fear in Israel, recognised The Fear of Israel, and brought a giant to his knees.

Moving forward
When your resources are perceived as finite, fear prevents you taking risks, even if the risks are sensible choices that reduce other dangers and might lead to growth. If you knew you had infinite resources, you would live differently, for example:

  • Upgrading the software (leads to) fewer malware attacks (therefore) little down time.
  • Employing the youth minister (leads to) more young people involved (therefore) church has a brighter future (potentially!).
  • Renovating the ageing spaces (leads to) less time and money spent on upkeep (and) more accessible, bespoke spaces.

Theologically, we have all of the resources we need, which is perhaps why Paul wrote that “we live by faith not by sight” in 2 Corinthians 5:7. Reverse those triplets above and reflect on the following questions in turn:

  1. What would the good life look like?
  2. What are the things that would get us there?
  3. What barrier do we need to begin to address today?

Andy du Feu is acting Vice-Principal (Academic) at Moorlands College.

New loan scheme for our MA

Great news! Our MA in Applied Theology needn’t stretch you like it used to.

The UK government now provides a loans scheme for master’s courses, including our MA in Applied Theology. Validated by the University of Gloucestershire, our MA offers specialisms in Apologetics; Chaplaincy; Mentoring; Christian Leadership; Family, Children and Youth Ministry; and The Bible and Preaching.

How much is the loan?
You can apply to borrow up to £10,280, which can be used towards tuition fees and expenses. You can borrow this amount even though our MA course actually costs less.

Am I eligible?
To get the loan…

■ You will need to be under 60 on the first day of the academic year in which the course starts (1 September).
■ This must be your first master’s degree (or higher qualification). Borrowers holding postgraduate diplomas and postgraduate certificates are still eligible, although you will be required to complete the full MA course in its entirety.
■ You normally live in England (and didn’t move here just to study), and have been living in the UK for three years before starting the course. EU nationals may also be eligible.
■ You must not have outstanding student loan arrears or have previously been found to be ‘unfit’ for support (e.g. because of attempted fraud).

Who receives the money?
The loan will be paid directly to you, not to us. You will receive the money in three instalments per year, across each year of the course. The first payment occurs after we confirm your placement with the Student Loans Company.

How do I repay the loan?
You will pay back 6% of your income over £21,000, either through payroll or self-assessment. No repayments are due all the while you earn less than £21,000 per year. You stop owing either when the debt has been cleared, or when 30 years (from the April after graduation) have passed.

How do I apply?
We encourage you to apply as early as possible, to ensure that funding is in place for the start of the
course. The deadline for applying is nine months after the first day of your second academic year.

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Beyond Africa: A perspective on prosperity

Above: Tim Miller (far left) with last year’s graduating class.

At Kaniki Bible University we are training men and women from across southern Africa, most of whom will go on to lead churches and other various ministries. Whilst it is too general to say the African church is a mile wide and an inch deep, it has been my experience that there are some significant challenges that threaten the long-term strength of the church.

The biggest, in my opinion, is that of the prosperity gospel. My perspective may be partly shaped by the particular context in which I work, but I thoroughly believe this is a significant issue, and one I feel the Western church must also wrestle with more.

Chatting with my students, it becomes clear that the theology is quite nuanced: “But Tim, ‘Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be given to you,’” my students respond when we talk about prosperity. Doesn’t God desire to bless us, and isn’t material prosperity a legitimate category of blessing? Yes, maybe, I respond, but when I see a holy God who by rights should sentence me to hell but in his infinite love and grace has reconciled me to himself through his son, the prosperity gospel is just far too small and this-worldly.

“‘But Tim, “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be given to you,”’ my students respond when we talk about prosperity.”

Earlier this year I was studying eschatology with our second year students, and was reminded of Karl Barth, who said that “Christianity that is not wholly eschatological has nothing to do with Christ.” I tend to think that whilst this prosperity teaching may be more obvious in my context, churches all around the world are equally tempted to lose the eschatological focus of the gospel.

I often tell my students that they can easily get a crowd by preaching what itching ears want to hear, but if they want to shepherd a strong church, one that will be able to stand firm in the face of persecution and suffering, they must preach eschatologically. They must preach that—whether or not I have a car or a house—God is still sovereign. They must preach that—whether or not my son recovers from malaria—Christ is still supreme and that there is a day coming when he will wipe every tear from our eye, when there will be no more death, no more suffering.

“They must preach that—whether or not I have a car or a house—God is still sovereign.”

I can’t help feeling that Barth’s words are incredibly apt, not only in my context, but for churches around the world—drawn by the challenge of trying to solve the problems of living in a fallen world, without sowing into eternity.

Tim Miller with Blessings

Above: Tim (right) with Blessings, a current second-year student at Kaniki.

Tim Miller graduated from Moorlands College in 2006 with a BA (Hons) in Applied Theology, having specialised in cross-cultural studies. For the following eight years Tim worked as a Pastor in Bournemouth, then relocated to Zambia three years ago. Tim currently works as a lecturer at Kaniki Bible University, near Ndola in the copperbelt region.

Travels, Troops and Tutorials: Our Chaplains’ story

Above: Jackie and Jonathan Woodhouse, Chaplains at Moorlands College.

Reverend Jonathan Woodhouse CB and his wife Jackie are Chaplains to the student body and staff team at Moorlands College. With contagious joy, inspirational stories and a passion for supporting others, Jonathan and Jackie have travelled far serving Christ.

Sarah White had the privilege of chatting with them both, to hear their testimonies and how God used their time in the British Army as part of the Royal Army Chaplains’ Department.

Sarah White: How did you both become followers of Jesus?

Jackie: When I was eight, I moved to what is now called Zimbabwe and went to boarding school. I lived by Victoria Falls during the country’s conflict and had all of my schooling there. Our Matron at school offered us Scripture Union notes and prayed with us. I used to read those notes in my bedroom and was gradually very aware of Christ. I didn’t make a full commitment until 2 July 1971, which was actually in the same year as Jon was converted. This was during a YWAM mission at school.

Jonathan: I had a conversion experience on 23 November 1971. I was at a coffee bar in Cardiff and I was led to Christ by a friend of mine. I had seen a change in his life because he was a pretty intimidating and mean rugby player. I noticed that his conversion changed his behaviour. He was still a big rugby player, but he was playing more fairly. He had the privilege of leading me to Christ that evening and it was a very moving, joyful and emotionally-charged occasion. He said to me, “Now you must go and witness at home and say something to your parents”, which I did that night, but my father’s response was, “What on earth are you on?” The conversion was very powerful and, of course, God turned my life around. It changed my life from considering going to Southampton to study marine engineering to then declining this opportunity to go to London Bible College to study theology instead.

Above: (Left) Drumhead Service at The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Armed Forces Parade at Windsor, 19 May 2012.
(Right) Jonathan with Rangers from the Royal Irish Regiment on exercise in Wadi Rum, Jordan, 1994.

SW: How did you two meet each other?

Jackie: We were both 21 and met each other on a Christian holiday. It was a four-week long trip to Russia in 1976 where we visited 13 or 14 countries. Back then, the holiday was £98 in total!

Jonathan: We’d been through places such as West Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Russia, which was the Soviet Union back then. We saw missiles on the backs of trailers and we were moved on whenever we stopped by the road to make a meal. The coach was stripped at the Finnish/Russian border but thankfully we were allowed to have our personal Bibles. Jackie and I also got lost in Moscow together having a Bible study outside of the Moscow State Circus…

Jackie: …we did!

Jonathan: We really did! We were having a Bible study and nobody believes us! We were being so spiritual and were looking at Psalm 34. Then, we went back to the car park by the circus, and the coach wasn’t there!

Jackie: Everybody had gone!

Jonathan: The leader had got so frustrated by people not being on time and he said, “The next time someone is late, I’m just going to go!” And he did. Jackie and I prayed together and said “Lord take us back please!” With our passports, we flagged a taxi down with our last bit of money, then went to an ‘Intourist’ hotel in the centre of Moscow and told a lady in the Reception that we were lost. We didn’t even know the name of the campsite we were staying at. The lady rang around the different campsites that Westerners were allowed to stay in and found the campsite further out of Moscow. She described how to get there via public transport, but we didn’t have any money to use it. So, she left her work and took us out into the Moscow streets and onto the underground—it was a beautiful underground, always wanted to see it, it was fabulous! She paid for us and took us onto the mainline around 11pm. It was dark and no-one wanted anything to do with us as Westerners. The lady sat with us until the first stop, then gave us instructions and we never saw her again. Was that an angel or what?! When we got off at the station we were instructed to and found our campsite over the bridge; it was guarded and fenced off. It was quite an adventure.


“The lady sat with us until the first stop, then gave us instructions and we never saw her again. Was that an angel or what?!”


SW: What then led you to continue such an adventurous path in the form of Army Chaplaincy?

Jonathan: Well, after then studying at Spurgeon’s College, I first spent ten years serving in civilian Baptist churches as a Baptist minister in Eastbourne and Selsdon, before joining the Royal Army Chaplains’ Department (RAChD) in 1990. A place opened up for me either within the Royal Air Force or the Army and I chose the Army. I then did the crossover training to be an Army Chaplain which was a big family risk, but I just knew it was what God was leading me to do. Two people helped me make this decision. The first was a former Army Chaplain and Baptist minister who came into Spurgeon’s College and talked about Army Chaplaincy. The second was my brother-in-law who was a Sergeant in the British Army; but not a Christian. He simply just said to me, “You should be an Army Chaplain.” Therefore, God used two people; one Christian and one non-Christian.

I then spent 25 years serving all over the world and in lots of places such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Bosnia, Falklands, Hong Kong and Cyprus. Particular highlights include me baptising people in full-length outdoor swimming pools in both Cyprus and Germany. Both places had to have guards on duty for health and safety reasons, and so they had to listen to the testimonies and witness the baptisms! It was fantastic. Following this, I was Staff Chaplain to the Chaplain-General and then Senior Chaplain 16 Air Assault Brigade, with the Brigade entering Iraq in March 2003. I found myself in a desert, leading a team of nine Chaplains and having to go into a war setting. This was quite formative.

Jackie: From my point of view, I have always worked with women who are on the fringes. For example, during Jon’s postings, I gathered in the Army Chaplains wives who have been left behind when all of the men went away. We supported each other in small groups, I started an Army Chaplain’s wives conference and we went on outings. I’ve always been involved in smalls groups and Christian support groups.


“Both places had to have guards on duty for health and safety reasons, and so they had to listen to the testimonies and witness the baptisms! It was fantastic.”


Jonathan Woodhouse CB on service

Above: (Left) With Jonathan’s team of chaplains from 16 Air Assault Brigade, outside his ‘Church in the Sand’, Al Amarah, Iraq, May 2003.
(Right) Jonathan lounging in his first dug shell-scrape after experiencing ‘incoming’, March 2003.

SW: During Jonathan’s postings, was there ever a time where you couldn’t speak to each other?

Jonathan: During the invasion of Iraq, we had no contact whatsoever for three and a half weeks. Just before launching north into Iraq, I had a good inkling as to when we’d be going, but couldn’t say that on satellite phone. We had a phone call once a week that only lasted for 20 minutes. I knew the phones were going to be switched off and that I couldn’t say it over an open line. So, instead I had to say, “I probably won’t be in touch for a little while,” but Jackie didn’t understand it.

Jackie: No, I didn’t… and it was our 25th wedding anniversary!

Jonathan: I celebrated that in the Rumaylah oil fields in Iraq when we should have actually been in Kenya going on safari to celebrate!

Jackie: And I was at work…

Jonathan: …whereas I was digging a hole in the ground to live in.

Jackie: I spent the day at work and cried in the toilet. It’s sad, isn’t it?

Jonathan: But I ordered flowers before I left and they did arrive for you on our anniversary! Anyway, after that, around 2005, I was appointed as the Senior Chaplain at the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst. I was the first Baptist to go to an Anglican place and have a team there. This was during the period where Prince William and Prince Harry were training at Sandhurst. So, Prince Charles and other Royals attended events and services, and I preached when they were there. That was an interesting period of time!


“I spent the day at work and cried in the toilet. It’s sad, isn’t it?”


SW: You must have moved a lot during your service. What was particularly challenging about this?

Jonathan: My first post as a Regimental Chaplain was in Germany and we were there for three years. Our children, David and Becky, had to go to boarding school because of the number of moves we were making. We lived in 16 houses in the 24 years in the Army and you never know where you’re moving to. When I was out in Germany, I asked to be posted back to the UK to be with our children but we were posted to Cyprus. It wasn’t because the Deputy Chaplain General was being unkind; it was because in the end, that is what they had to do and it’s where I was needed.

Jackie: I’ve always taken the view that as a minister’s wife, you should go with your husband. There are some people who would prefer to stay at home unaccompanied, but I always travelled around with Jon. Sadly, that meant the children had to go to boarding school but it hasn’t made us any less close as a family and they thrived at the right school.

Jonathan: There were big changes and I think it’s taught me a lot about what it means to be a servant leader. There are many Christians who don’t want to be directed by anyone else and actually the aspect of being a servant is about being directed. Sometimes, you are told what you have to do and obedience is about saying, “I will do it” rather than, “It doesn’t suit me.”

Jackie: We had to believe that God was in every posting and that they were all planned by Him, even though sometimes they were inconvenient. There were often postings that we, or I, didn’t want to go on. In the one before last, we were sent back to Germany when our daughter had just finished university and she had nowhere to live. That’s the closest we’ve come to being unaccompanied as it was really difficult for her. She had to find somewhere to live and set up on her own.


“Sometimes, you are told what you have to do and obedience is about saying, ‘I will do it’ rather than, ‘It doesn’t suit me.’”


SW: How did you then become Chaplain General of the British Army?

Jonathan: I was promoted to Assistant Chaplain General at 1st (UK) Armoured Division in Germany before being made a Queen’s Honorary Chaplain in 2008 on becoming Deputy Chaplain-General. I was then appointed Chaplain General in July 2011 by the Army Board. I was responsible to the Professional Head of the Army for the delivery of Chaplaincy to the British Army and I managed 155 full-time and 70 part-time Army Chaplains. I was involved in national events at Westminster Abbey, Canterbury, York, Windsor and Buckingham Palace. I also consecrated the Regimental Colours, uniquely once in Afghanistan. The best thing we ever did was participate in the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee, preparing a service that went live on the BBC. I also preached in places that I never thought I’d preach in such as York Cathedral, Westminster Abbey, Canterbury Cathedral and Edinburgh Castle in the presence of the Queen.


“I also preached in places that I never thought I’d preach in such as York Cathedral, Westminster Abbey, Canterbury Cathedral and Edinburgh Castle in the presence of the Queen.”


SW: What was your aim as Chaplain General?

Jonathan: My vision, given to all Army Chaplains, was lead by the phrase ‘trusted to bring the hope of God’. The mission statement of Army Chaplaincy is to bring spiritual support; pastoral care and moral guidance to soldiers and their families whether they were at home, overseas or on operations. Regarding spiritual support, I could only come at this from a Christian perspective; I am not neutral. There is no neutral Chaplain, and any such claim to neutrality is a false one. Therefore, any spiritual support comes from a Christian perspective. Pastoral care is broad but came from Christian principles. Moral guidance is an area of values and ethics and that was an area we developed. During my time as Chaplain General, there was a move to think through ethical foundations, which is still reverberating now, and was centred on the discussion with the Professional Head of the Army. Originally, there was a lot of ethical training from King’s College in London but it was thought that a level of ethical training could be delivered from specialised Army Chaplains within the Army. The Chaplains don’t just talk about ethics, but do it practically on operations and in barracks all over the world. In a time of cutbacks, the Army agreed an Ethics post which a Chaplain filled in order to develop ethical thinking and training. That, for me, has been really important. This would influence the public space with an ethic that derives from a Christian perspective that is available for everybody. My interest in Chaplaincy and Ethics is what I now teach here at Moorlands College on the MA, and a little on the BA.

Jackie: That’s the importance of being a Christian in a public space. It’s about making sure your influence permeates through everyday life. That’s why it’s really important for Christians to be out there in the public space so that the Christian voice and influence is sustained and maintained.

Jonathan Woodhouse CB on service

Above: Laying on of hands and prayer at Baptist Assembly, Blackpool, 1 May 2011 before being appointed Chaplain-General.

SW: After retiring from Chaplain General in 2014, you then joined as Chaplains on the Moorlands College staff team in 2015. What’s your favourite aspect of working at the college?

Jackie: We feel very privileged to be part of Moorlands; we’ve spent years being quite isolated as there aren’t many Christians in a regiment. It’s been hard at times to find a home church as we’ve been on the move so much. It takes so long to get to know people and that’s been a lesson in itself actually. We haven’t really had a Christian community that we’ve been part of and we see it very much as a gift that we’re now part of this Christian community. I’m enjoying working with enthusiastic young people who are raring to go for the Lord. It’s lovely and very refreshing. It’s great to be part of their lives and to feel you have a little bit of influence and be a support.

Jonathan: We’ve been working with a community of an average age of 25 years of age for the last 25 years and so to come into a community which has so much potential is what drives it for me. It’s a brilliant opportunity to try and give a little bit back for the college’s young people and mature students. These individuals might not realise the massive potential they hold, but they have got massive potential. Moorlands College is such a positive place and there is a real sense of camaraderie that is quite special. It’s a great privilege and it’s all about the potential.

SW: What Bible verses encourage you the most?

Jonathan: The first is Ephesians 3:14–21 as it was written into my Ordination Bible when I was ordained as Baptist Minister in 1980. I have used this passage under pressure and I use it a great deal. The second is Mark 12:28–31. Both of these passages show the love and strength of God in Christ.

Jackie: My favourite verse is my conversion passage: “Behold I stand at the door and knock.” (Revelation 3:20) I also love the whole of the book of James as it’s got fantastic teaching in there.

SW: What would you say to a Moorlands College student to encourage them?

Jackie: Make the most of every opportunity; no experience is ever wasted.

Jonathan: Be utterly determined and committed. Keep going when the pressure is on. In fact, embrace the pressure. Embrace the pressure, and in the Grace of God thrive.

Jonathan is a Lead Tutor of the Chaplaincy specialism on our MA course, and also teaches Professional Ethics across all the MA and BA courses. The course explores why Chaplaincy is a key leading-edge ministry, providing new opportunities for ministry in all kinds of places.

Thinking theologically: Identity

Colin Bennett

I remember attending a counselling course run by the Government some 35 years ago. The course leaders said that the most profound question we can ever ask is “Who am I?”

Subsequently the course spent a large proportion of its time encouraging participants to explore their identity. Twenty-five years ago, I was the keynote speaker at a youth ministry conference in Toronto, and there I majored on the theme of identity. I said then that this would be the increasing theme for the Church in contemporary society. This is born out especially today. If you don’t think this is true, consider a few facts.

Firstly, Facebook recently allowed us to redefine ourselves using 56 gender identities. This may not mean much to you, but to some this a landmark move towards gender identity fluidity. Forget male or female (old fashioned ‘binary’ positions). Welcome to the world of the gender identity continuum.

Secondly, faculties from academia have for some time known that adolescence is a time of identity formation versus role confusion (see Erikson, for example). Developmental psychologists assert that unless adolescents work through the issues surrounding identity formation, then they will not flourish as individuals and will be confused about their roles and purpose in adult life. As an aside, Besly’s research into postmodernity may even suggest that our contemporary western culture could be accused of producing increased adolescent behavior in adults.

Finally, more friends I know who are not Christians are unsure about who they are and what their purpose is. Even in my extended family and in my church family there are many who are not sure about who they are and what they should be doing with their lives. Sadly.

This is where good applied theology comes in.

We can start anywhere is Scripture. For example, the Lord’s Prayer begins with “Our Father in heaven” (Matthew 6:9). You see, we are made in the image of our heavenly Father. We really do ‘look just like our Dad’. We are the apple of God’s eye. We are his if we have asked to save us and take over the reins of our life. God has made us—he knows who we are. Better than we know ourselves. He wants us to be the person that he has always intended us to be. We are a royal priesthood, a holy nation. We are worth it. Jesus died for us, to free us from sin. Christians are filled with God’s righteousness and the Holy Spirit, making us truly the people God has designed us to be. Our true God-given identity is only to be found when we are in Christ. It is what we are made for—to be a child of the King.

Don’t be misled like I was one time when I thought I would sneak up on my friend who was walking to the shops. I did sneak up on him. But it was not my friend. It was a bad case of mistaken identity.

Know who you are. But more importantly, know who God is. Know him and know his love in your heart and his glorious plans and purposes for your life now; to be fit for your eternal identity. Your heavenly identity—for ever more.

This is an extract from our growing factsheet series, available from the Moorlands College exhibition stand at various events and conferences across the UK.

GOD TV interview with Dr Steve Brady

GOD TV recently visited Moorlands College to interview our Principal, Dr Steve Brady, as part of the channel’s special Mission Africa 2017 initiative.

Fergus Scarfe talks to Steve about the passion for mission, and how we as the body of Christ can grow in that mission and express the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the nations of the world.

The full programme featuring Steve’s interview, plus others with the likes of Daniel Kolenda and Nathan Morris, can be viewed on GOD TV.